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Dale Peck chats with Calvin Baker, author of the critically-acclaimed novels Naming the New World, Once Two Heroes, Dominion, and Grace. The two discuss the past and future of integration in the United States, race as the "organizing principle of American society," and Baker's new novel A More Perfect Reunion: Race Integration, and the Future of America, which is available now. The Evergreen Review published an excerpt from the novel in its summer 2020 issue.